I think we should have job reservations in all the fields. I completely support the PM and all the politicians for promoting this. Let's start the reservation with our cricket team. We should have 10 percent reservation for Muslims. 30 percent for OBC, SC/ST like that.
Cricket rules should be modified accordingly.
The boundary circle should be reduced for an SC/ST player. The four hit by an OBC player should be considered as a six and a six hit by an OBC player should be counted as 8 runs. An OBC player scoring 60 runs should be declared as a century.
We should influence ICC and make rules so that the pace bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar should not bowl fast balls to our OBC player.
Bowlers should bowl maximum speed of 80 kilometer per hour to an OBC player.
Any delivery above this speed should be made illegal.
Also we should have reservation in Olympics. In the 100 meters race, an OBC player should be given a gold medal if he runs 80 meters.
There can be reservation in Government jobs also. Let's recruit SC/ST and OBC pilots for aircrafts which are carrying the ministers and politicians (that can really help the country...)
Ensure that only SC/ST and OBC doctors do the operations for the ministers and other politicians. (Another way of saving the country...)
Let's be creative and think of ways and means to guide INDIA forward...
Lets show the world that INDIA is a GREAT country.
Let's be proud of being an INDIAN...
May the good breed of politicians like ARJUN SINGH long live...
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Interesting Post
Its really worth reading, I love to see more posts of this kind.
i love this post atleast some have dare spoke about it
Reservation diluting the Indian administration power. We need better engineer who can lay better roads, we have that talent still we are using low talented person. I am not saying we shouldn't have reservation. We should have reservation for education not for the job. Once you used reservation next generation will not allowed use reservation that family should become OC in this way at least we don't have reserved candidates. I am an OC guy my friend was an sc where both of his parents are teachers, my father is farmer income depends on the rains. I was struggling to pay my college bills for him he getting scholarship and no need to pay fee. Actually i am sc here he is OC. But government providing facilities to him. I didn't see any meaning of reservation i am an Indian citizen, but I am not eligible for reservation.
Friends I am not jealous about him, just analysis. I am worried lot of times about our next generations, still today we don’t have projected plan how we can solve our problems. How much debt we have god knows. Our nation has tremendous talent, which is being, used by MNCs. This doesn’t end
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The basis for reservation must change
Hi All, It's a good sarcastic comment by premji- but it fails giving a reasonable ground to oppose reservations based on caste/religion/community/region. Certainly caste based reservations made a change in the lives of SC/STs in these 50 years. 50 years ago when a backward community person comes and sits beside or touches a brahmin or thakur it was an issue. But, today 90% of OCs are rational and educated enough not to go for such practices. Today the only disparity in indian society is between the rich and poor. In these days when economics are driving countries to change their forgein policies as well, POVERTY must be the base line for reservtions. Let there be only two categories in students - The economically backward and forward. People say that age gives experience to people. i wonder why it doesn't give wisdom. It's unfortunate that a person of arjun singh's stature has kikked off such a nasty game where the youth started hating each other on the basis of caste - a hatred that started afresh in this country. Arjun singh ji aap bhi apne conscious ko poochiye... it also cries : "The basis for reservation must change" Jai Hind.
Hat's off Mr. Azim Prem ji sir
Today the reservation system in india is misused for the sake of vote bank
example: our former president Mr. k.r.narayanan's children has all the reservations...but not the children of a poor man in the forward castes.
india will never become a developed country untill the reservation system is shifted from caste basis to rich and poor basis.
Thank You
Thanks for sritulasi0211 and surender for expressing your opinnions. I am looking for such a country.......
Reservation - India, Where Next??
To All Indians Worldwide, this is a call; a call to all self respecting Indians who think that reservation is divisive, reservation is unjust. Most of the points I make in this essay is just a comment on how bad our political system is, how unjust it is. Every year thousands of graduates from this so called ‘booming’ economy bring more repute,businesses, growth to India. The so called ‘elitist’ workforce comprises mainly of hardworking qualified NON RESERVATION candidates who use their intellect rather than their religion to bring honor to the Indian ‘brand’ name. Every day an Indian in the world makes a mark NOT BECAUSE OF HIS RELIGION OR SOCIAL STATUS but because of the excellent and robust education system which grooms him to be the best in the playing field. This breath taking growth that India has witnessed is only due to such minds. When I look at this growth I used to feel a sense of pride, a sense of belonging that Indians are making their presence felt in a highly competitive environment which does not look at ‘third world’ contributions in a good light.
But today (or yesterday rather) I feel a sense of pain, anger, sadness that India would always remain in the abyss of hate, religious politics, promotion of a sect of people who wouldn’t stand a chance in the International playing field. Reservation would continue in the form of ‘minority’ community benefits and the percentages would slowly rise. India would again go back to the olden days where jobs were hard to come by. Coz without rewarding intellect and intellectual pursuits a country is Nothing. We don’t stand a chance against our counterparts in China, Korea, and other third world countries who want to take away the Indian juggernaut. It is not hard to foresee that there would come a time when all the corruption, pollution, lack of infrastructure, reservation, greed, politics, religious hatred would manifest into a country with no soul with little contribution from people of a ‘lesser’ religion (whose only fault remains in being part of a caste which does not have a voice). The so called ‘children’ of India would try to escape from all that would make India in the future! Hope they are successful in their endeavors!
I end this passage with a brief toast to all those Arjun Singhs and VP Singhs and the spineless political parties who don’t have the strength to stand up against what is morally wrong and reprehensible and who give birth to newer generations disillusioned more and more of our great democratic country that is India! India, I love you but I also hate you for being the breeding ground for all that is inhumane, corrupt, greedy, bureaucratic, and morally bankrupt!
This raving and ranting I presume would go into unread pages but I go back to my work with a feeling of having shared what it feels to be an Indian ‘open’ caste person who saw many of his friends never making it into science/medicine streams even after scoring a gargantuan 95 percent in the HSSC board syllabus! All you people who take the time to read and contemplate and do something to get out of the RUT we are in I salute you! Adios!
LOOK WHOS TALKING --- YOU ARE GOING TO BE SORRY
Yes Mr. Premji. I agree With you .i have one more plan .its called Suppress the lower caste!!!!. Ya Why the Fu@# should we Care if bittu living in the slums would never get to study aeronautics when he looks up towards the airplane.Why should some Fu@@ing poor LOW CASTE girl be made a doctor when she plays with a broken sthetescope .Right.Why Mercy when we can blame it all on the politics.Why the Fu@^ should we care about that.Ooooooh it will damage the creamy layer...OOOOOh it will divide India.Shut The F$#@ up.INDIA WAS ALREADY DIVIDED some 5000 years ago and you should keep the tradition go on. Nobody is asking to give a general man 10 files and quota one only two so keep you 6 run to 8 theory to yourself.Nobody rich goes to play and wins..... PT Usha,Rajesh Toora (MY DAD) ,and Bunch of others are all dalit and brought medals to india. WIPRO AINT YOUR FATHER'S COMPANY SO YOU ARE NO ONE TO CHOOSE. HOW FILTHY MINDED YOU PEOPLE ARE.YOU TAKE UP THE RIGHT OF LOW CASTE AND TAKE SHED OF POLITICS AND MERIT HOW DO YOU DEFINE MERIT??? Is merit a bunch of f@@#ing CRAMMING .These students were born in A.C. rooms study in A.C. and would probably die in it too. But for you F@#$ing INFO there are those who ROTT in the Heat,Dont have Electricity and read below streetlights. There are those who cycle 10 KMs to school from their village and back,Help there Father in the Farms or some other stuff and you expect them to score in the first 3000 in IIT JEE.BRAVO FOR Mr.PREMJI our youth icon.Hurrayyy A Quota Doctor will be equally talented as a general doctor cause he will give the collegge EXAMS wont he.We are just asking to support us a bit in the beggining not asking for answer SLIPS in the EXAM Center. If you IMPROVE PRIMARY EDU AT THIS VERY MOMENT IT WILL EFFECT SOMEONE 10 YEARS AFTER..so we should burn reservation RIGHT MR.PREMJI....Yes Everybody in the room giveMr.Premji a HAND.CLAPINGS FOR HIM. AND FOR YOUR F!@#ING EXCUSE THAT RESERVATION DOESNT REACH THE NEEDY..Tell me MR.PREMJI you post wipro on the net.you post your ads in the papers .NOT ONLY YOU BUT AL:L EDU INSSTITUTES AS WELL MAY IT BE IIT IIM II!@#$#%$#$% BUT DID ANYONE WENT TO A VILLAGE,IN the LOW CASTE AND TELL THEM WHAT ENGINEERING IS ,WHAT PHYSIOTHERAPY IS?... GOVT GAVE YOU A RESPONSIBILITY TO ADD BLAW BLAW PERCENT OF LOW CASTE students so DID YOU INVITED THEM LIKE YOU INVITED US. Ipity you MR.PREMJI .i cant stand the thought then when your junior staff will read this how much they are going to laugh at you...KKKKHHHHH HA HA HAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! FACT IS YOU ARE A STRICT MANNUVAADI AND THE MOST BIGGEST COWARD I HAVE EVER SEEN !!!!!!!! AND YES THIS PRECIOUS MESSAGE TO mr. premji OUR FUTURE FOOL YOUTH ICON AND KING OF ALL MORONS IS POSTED BY ANUDEEP TOORA(anudeep_toora [at] yahoo [dot] co [dot] in) And RAHUL UJJAL
You totally misunderstood
Anudeep, you totally misunderstood the concept of Ajim Premji the politicians using the caste as a bait for power nothing more than that. India has lot of intelectual talent, bcoz of taht today India is surving, otherwise india will be no more. The present caste systme ruins everything. Presntly the private sector is bring revenue to India, if you wnat to loose that too, then I agree introduction fo caste system in private sector, Then everyone will be BEGGERS in the future. If you go into and Govt. office and observe how the caste systme is disturbing the work and other things, you're not aware of this i hope.
Why should we divide the people in by caste, we all are INDIANS, only collective decissions, collaborative work leads India into super power. If we still divide and subdivide, no one will gain except only the caste leaders and politicians. If you really wnats to remove poverty and want 100% literacy we need to remove caste system.
With the caste systme there isnt one paisa benefit at all. Eveyrthing is missusing. You dont understand what merit means.. Merit dosent means bagging gold medals etc.
Can you answer my small question, will you purchase a torn shit Rs 300 from a shope if they reduce the price to Rs 200. you can stitch and use it and it looks good. Preferably no, if that is the case Wipro people have invested lakhs and crores of rupees, how do they hire an unqualified or untrained person. Why should they waste money, time, man power for providng trainning to them. For teh sake of rs 300 we're thinking a lot, then how should he think.
We think a lot(gurantee, warantee, usuability, life etc ) before buying a small thing. If you're think a lot for couple of hunderds then what about Premji or others expectations when they are investing huge sum of amounts. Isnt it right what he say?
Coming to the point of the Jobs, why should we beg them plz come to our place, plz hire me. Job is not slavery of something, ist just just a business, a trade giving and taking. No one upper no one lower.
Just to make note that I am from a backward caste and my father and grandfather were farmers, we came from a poor family, I know to what extent the caste systme helped me, infact nothing. I am deadly against caste system. Not only me every citizen of India should against caste system to have a better India.
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Hi there .
Well My reply there was not only a personal attack on premji ,BUT also the whole sceane of the rich upper caste that has been running for years.
WHO WANTS THE CASTE SYSTEM,(EXCEPT THE HIGHER CLASS).WHAT MATTERS IS THE TIME YOU ABOLISH IT.CASTE SYSTEM COULD BE ABOLISHED 5000 YEARS AGO,IT COULD BE ABOLISHED AT THE INDEPENDANCE,IT COULD BE ABOLISHED AT THE MANDAL COMMISION AFTERMATH BUT WHY THE F*&* IS IT BEING ABOLISHED WHEN THE POOR AND NEEDY ARE NOW TO GAIN SOMETHING FROM IT
YOUTH FOR EQUALITY CAMPAINS ARE RUNNING TODAY WHEN THERE WAS A FEAR OF LOOSING SEATS AND OPPURTUNITY TO THE HIGH CASTE. WHERE WERE THE YOUTH FOR EQUALITY WHEN THE WHOLE DALIT VILLAGE IN HARAYANA WAS BURNT BY UPPERCASTE LAST YEAR AND THAT TOO WITH PRIOR NOTIFICATION.WHERE WERE "BRAHMIN SC EK HAIN" POSTERS WHEN SC AND ST WHERE NOT GIVIN SURVIVAL KITS IN THE TSUNAMI AFTERMATH.....
As i told india is not being divided by polititions but was divided thousands of years ago and is still doing the same. Reservation should not be for some middle class sc/st in delhi or any other metro city,it should be for the rural people.AND IF YOU ARE FROM THAT BACKROUND AS YOU MENTION you know how they live in seprate collonies,dont like to see us and even dont drink the water of our homes.SO INDIA IS DIVIDED NOT BY POLTITIONS BUT A HIGH caste HINDU and as you say MERITOUS person 5000 years ago.thats the result of merit
The caste system's filth is in the filthy minds of people which no system can clear and no reservation can cure.BUT and i mean BUT reservation gave us a chance to sit in those people,do work within them which was never done before and even ruling those filthy minds which even today think that our place is in the slums and I DONT SEE ANYTHING WRONG IN THAT.RESERVATION THEN DID A GOOD JOB AND FOR SOME MORE LITTLE TIME (you can see the ratio 5000 : 60 years? ) IT WILL CONTONUE TO DO.I PERSONALLY FEEL PREMJI TO BE ONE OF THOSE FILTHY MINDED PEOPLE.he is a coward afraid that a sc or st might rule over him.
SO you tell WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT BIENG A SUPER POWER COUNTRY OR GIVING EVERY ONE A CHANCE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT.IS THIS BIENG SELFISH .
YOU TELL ME THAT I DONT UNDERSTAND MERIT and gave a defination too but my dear freind MERIT IS THERE WHERE THERE IS EQUALITY.AND IF THE DEFINATION YOU GAVE IS TRUE THAN ALL MERITOUS PEOPLEE ARE THE MOST SELFISH ONES.
MERIT AINT A BUNCH OF ENTRANCE EXAMS AND GOOD MARKS.ITS HOW YOU WORK YOUR ASS ALL THE DAY AND STUDY ALONG TO JUST GET PASS AND SUPPORT YOUR FAMILTY.Its how you overcome your society ,every one discourages you even your own family.they ask you to join the family bussiness and he is broken down from all directions so can he score in the high 3000 of iitjee or some lakhs in AIEEE.
AS for your question A SHIRT IS DIFFRENT THAN A MAN ESP TORN ONE :-).
I didnt undestand a bit in the following para:-
Coming to the point of the Jobs, why should we beg them plz come to our place, plz hire me. Job is not slavery of something, ist just just a business, a trade giving and taking. No one upper no one lower
NO PERSONAL OFFENCE OR SOMETHING (I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND I DONT MEAN TO HURT YOU) BUT I THINK YOU NEVER FACED THOSE CONDITIONS WHEN YOU STUDY IN THE STREET LIGHTS ON THE NIGHT BEFORE YOUR EXAM.I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN INFLUENCED A LOT BY YOUR FREINDS OR SOMETHING (NO OFFENCE AS I SAID) BUT CONDITIONS ARE VERY POOR.
TODAY ONLY DOCTORS AND ENGG ARE ON THE STRIKE BUT YOU KNOW THE DAY THE CHOODAS AND CHAMAARS GO ON EVEN A ONE DAY STRIKE YOU KNOW WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN.
YOU MENTIONED NOT EVEN A POINT(AGAIN NO OFFENCE) IN MY REPLY THAT WAS WRONG .IT TOOK MY A LOT OF TIME TO WRITE THE EARLIER REPLY .IT TOOK MY FRUSTRATIONS FOR PREM (I DONT WANT TO USE JI) .POINT OUT ONE LITTLE SENTENCE AND I WILL DEFINATELY REPLY YOU.
ANY WAYS I RUN A GROUP ON YAHOO GROUPS CALLED RESEVATIONPRO. DO VISIT AND I HOPE IT CHANGES YOUR MIND.
THANK YOU FOR REPLYING
Glad to hear from you
Thanks for the reply. I don’t mean to hurt you or another; I am just posting my views. Well I don’t want India to be sub-divided again and again in the name of caste. We'll are humans, why should we differentiate in the name of caste. People are mercilessly killing each other in the name of religion/caste. Isn’t it you want the future India?
Well, I know how poor people are suffering and I agree what you have said, but I don’t want the caste system, it won’t help, in fact it ditches us.
Reservation should be in the form of encouragement positively but not negatively. If that is the case we all will pay for it in the future.
Now-a-days people’re changing their caste’s just for the sake of money, job etc. Do you believe does caste system will give any spiritual powers?
The right way of helping poor people is financial help. It doesn’t mean, that giving seats or quota. There won’t be any quota of seats, but only concession in fees.
In today’s world people need money. If you go and see in any private sector companies you’ll find lot of middle class and poor people working there.
If reservation is entered into private sector, the companies loose their profits and ultimately they’ll windup the company. It leads to unemployment again. Is that what you want?
Why because many people will misuse the reservation and only unskillful led people will gain jobs, no one can control it. This will become the economical loss too.
I still don’t understand how reservation will help this:
They need financial assistance, but not the quota of seats. They need good education, good food, and good health. Providing some quota of jobs in private sector, doesn’t make them to secure the job. Because many people will misuse it, trust me it’s the fact and it cant be avoided at any cost. Instead of the gain we’ll have economic loss and financial loss to the company.
Real poor people are not going to gain anything; it’s the fact in present. At max they gain 10% and 90% misuses. Many poor people don’t know about the assistance given by the govt. So others are misusing it.
My ideas:
1. It should be mandatory that all graduates need to go to villages and educate poor and help poor.
2. People need to save some money by avoid going to pubs etc and spend that money for poor.
3. Providing essential amenities for poor. (Government wont do anything, we need to do it voluntarily)
Many more ideas, I am ending it up to make it short.
I hope this is the way to eradicate poverty.
Once again, I dont want to hurt you or another, I am sorry, if I hurt.
hi there again
YA WE KNOW THAT IT WILL BE MISUSED.BUT SO WILL BE THE ECONOMICAL BASED RESERVATION.IF ONE CAN MAKE A FAKE SC CERTIFICATE SO CAN HE MAKE A POOR MAN'S CERTIFICATE.
THE POINT IS ONE CANT STUDY IN STREET LIGHTS TO SCORE HIGH IN ENTRANCE.AS YOU KNOW ENTRANCE IS JUST A SELECTION PROCESS NOT ONES TALENTS TEST.IF ONE WANTS TO BE AN ENGINEER THEN ENTRANCE TEST TEACHES HIM NOTHING AND SO ITS NOT REQUIRED FOR MERIT.
STUDYING IN THE STREETLIGHT ONE CAN ONLY SCORE SOME THOUSANDS AND THEN RESERVATION CAN HELP HIM.HE DOESNT NEED TO SCORE SO HIGH .HE DOESNOT REQUIRE TO BUY THAT RS 10000 CORESSPONDANCE COURSE FOR HIS DREAM COURSE.
ON FIRST HEARING AND ALSO TO SAY IMPROVE PRIMARY EDU AND HELP FINANCIALLY IS VERY AMUSING BUT IS IMPRACTIBLE.LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD .I KNOW HOW CORRUPT MINISTERS ARE BUT SO ARE HIGH CASTE PEOPLE TOO.
FINANCIAL HELP WILL TOO BE MISUSED.HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A KENDRIYA VIDHYALAY SCHOOL.MOSTLY YOU WILL FIND THOSE STUDENTS WHO DONT REQUIRE THAT FINANCIAL HELP.MIDDLE CLASS PROBABLY.BUT THERE IS A LOW CLASS ALSO WHAT ABOUT THEM.?
A LOW CASTE PERSON WHO FINDS SUCCESS (USUALLY)DONATES A LOT CAUSE HE HAS BEEN THROUGH THAT CONDITION.AND WHAT DO THE OTHERS DO DEMAND OVERTIME.THOSE AS I SAID BORN IN THE AC AND DIE IN THE AC PEOPLE CAN JUST EXPAND THERE BANK BALANCE AND JUST DONATE FOR FAME .SO I VOLUNTIER A LOT.BUT FOR THIS VOULANTARY ACT AT SUCH HIGH SCALE WE REQUIRE A MIRACLE ONLY.
WE CAN BLAME IT ON THE GOVERNMENT BUT WHO MADE THE GOVERNMENT.WE DID. ITS NOT ABOUT CONGRESS OR BJP ETC BUT ON THE OVERALL LEVEL .THEY ARE PEOPLE FROM US.
TO DO THAT OUR DEVIL WITHIN MUST BE KILLED AND WHOSE READY TO DO THAT.
I AN VERY HONOURED TO TALK TO SOMEONE WHICH ACCEPTS THE FACT YOU SAID ABOVE.BUT IN TODAY'SWORLD ITS MORE OVER A TIT FOR TAT RATHER THAN MERCY.
SO IN ALL OTHER METHODS RESEVATION PLAYS THE MOST PRACTICLE ROLE.I KNOW HOW IT CHANGED MY FATHERS LIFE OR ELSE I WOULD HAVE PROBABLY BE IN A COBLER'S HUT FIXING SOME SHOES.
AND I DONT THINK PRIVATE AND GOVERNMENT SECTOR AFFECTS SO MUCH.ITS JUST THAT THE GOVERNMENT SATFF IS A GENERATION BACK AND PRIVATE SECTOR EMPLOYS NEW ONES.NOTHING ELSE .YOU SEE WHAT PRIVATISATION OF ELECTRICITY BOARD DID NOTHING.YA BUT IF YOU CANT SPARE SOME MONEY IN LOSS JUST SO THAT A POOR KID MAY MEET HIS DREAM JOB THAN WHAT CAN I SAY
I HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS TOO BUT IDEAS NEED TO BE ACTED UPON AND TO ACT UPON IT IT SHOUD BE PRACTICLE(NO OFFENCE)
AT LAST I FOUND RESERVATION THE MOST PRACTICLE AND SAFE (SO THAT LOW CASTE'S MAY NOT GO UNDER SLAVERY AGAIN LIKE IT DID 5000 YEARS AGO)
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